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    Testosterone is the prime male androgen in the body, and as such still the best possible mass builder in the world. It has a high risk of side-effects because it readily converts to a more androgenic form (DHT).

    Testosterone Cypionate
    Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (as Cypionate)
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429
    Molecular weight of ester: 132.1184 (cypionic acid, 8 carbons)
    Effective dose: 250-1000 mg/week
    Average Street-price: $10-20 per ml (200/250 mg/ml vials)
    Available Doses: 50, 75, 100, 125, 200 or 250 mg/ml

    Characteristics:
    Testosterone is the prime male androgen in the body, and as such still the best possible mass builder in the world. It has a high risk of side-effects because it readily converts to a more androgenic form (DHT) in androgen responsive tissues and forms estrogen quite easily. But these characteristics also provide it with its extreme anabolic tendencies. On the one hand estrogen increases growth hormone output, glucose utilization, improves immunity and upgrades the androgen receptor, while on the other hand a testosterone/DHT combination is extremely potent at activating the androgen receptor and eliciting major strength and size gains. While not always the most visually appealing result, there is no steroid on earth that packs on mass like testosterone does.
    Testosterone Cypionate is a single-ester, long-acting form of testosterone. Due to the length of its ester (8 carbons) it is stored mostly in the adipose tissue upon intra-musuclar injection, and then slowly but very steadily released over a certain period of time. A peak is noted after 24-48 hours of injection and then a slow decline, reaching a steady point after 12 days and staying there for over 3 weeks time. Of course most users of anabolics will not find adequate benefit in the use of this steady-point dose, so this product is normally injected once a week, making the very lowest dose higher than half the peak dose at any given time. This is roughly the starting blood level as well. A long-acting testosterone ester is a must-have in any mass-building cycle. As such this is a very decent product.
    Personally I have more affinity for testosterone enanthate, but few users will note any real difference between the two products, and both remain a better buy than their popular counterpart sustanon 250, which is a poor choice of testosterone in my opinion. It makes sense that a user simply opts for which one is most readily available at the time. They sell for roughly the same price, and are almost equally good. So most North and South-American users will usually opt for the use of a cypionate, as it is more available in those regions, whereas Europeans and Asians will probably prefer the enanthate version.
    A long-acting testosterone ester may be the best for all your mass-building needs, but its not an easy product to use. Because of the extreme length of action (3-4 weeks) one cannot easily solve occurring problems by simply discontinuing the product, as it will continue to act and aggravate side-effects over extended periods of time. In regards to damage control and post-cycle therapy, some familiarity with the use of ancillary drugs is required prior to using a long-acting testosterone product. Nolvadex and Proviron will come in very handy in such cases and post-cycle HCG and clomid or Nolvadex will be required as well to help restore natural testosterone. Frequency of side-effects is probably highest with this type of product.
    While most will tell you it's a waste to not use testosterone, as it will take ages longer to build proper mass, these are all points to take into consideration. Testosterone is a product that is heavily used by beginners and veterans alike and justly so. Those who fear they may never understand the proper use of ancillary drugs, may want to suck it up and invest in some propionate or suspension testosterones instead. These are much shorter acting and easier to control, but they do need to be injected once every two days, whereas this type of ester will impart great gains with a single weekly injection. Something to keep in mind.

    Stacking and Use:
    Testosterone is the most powerful compound there is, so obviously its perfectly fine to use it by itself. With a long-acting ester like Cypionate doses of 500-1000 mg per week are used with very clear results over a 10 week period. If you've ever seen a man swell up with sheer size, then testosterone was the cause of it. But testosterone is nonetheless often stacked. Due to the high occurrence of side-effects, people will usually split up a stack in testosterone and a milder component in order to obtain a less risky cycle, but without having to give up as much of the gains. Primobolan, Equipoise and Deca-Durabolin are the weapons of choice in this matter. Deca seems to be the most popular, probably because of its extremely mild androgenic nature. But Deca being one of the highest risks for just about every other side-effects, I probably wouldn't advise it. If Deca is used, generally a dose of 200-400 mg is added to 500-750 mg of testosterone per week.
    Primobolan is sometimes opted for, and can be handy since it doesn't aromatize, which will make the total level of water retention and fat gain a lot less than with more test or with Deca for example. Unfortunately, its mild nature combined with a lack of estrogen make Primobolan a very poor mass builder. Again, doses of 300-400 mg are used. I would actually suggest a higher dose, but with the current prices for Primo I don't think it would be very popular. My personal preference goes out to Equipoise. Androgenically its not that much stronger than Deca because it has next to no affinity for the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and is only half as androgenic as testosterone. Its twice as strong as Deca, mg for mg, and has a lower occurrence of side-effects. It has some estrogen, but not a whole lot so it actually tends to lean a person out rather than bloat him up as Deca will. It also increases appetite, which promotes gains, and improves aerobic performance, which may be wishful as testosterone normally has an opposite effect.
    Of course testosterone cypionate can be stacked with any number of compounds apart from these, but these make the best match. When stacking with testosterone, one needs to look at what the other compound can bring. Either it has a characteristic that testosterone doesn't have, or its nominally safer. The testosterone will bring all the mass, so adding another steroid to enhance mass alone, is futile. More testosterone is the best remedy for that.
    One needs to be familiar with a host of other compounds when using long-acting testosterone esters however. First of all, anti-estrogens. The rate of aromatization of testosterone is quite great, so water retention and fat gain are a fact and gyno is never far off. If problems occur one is best to start on 20 mg of Nolvadex per day and stay on that until problems subside. I wouldn't stay on it for a whole cycle, as it may reduce the gains. In terms of an aromatase blocker, testosterone is one of the few compounds where Proviron may actually be preferred over arimidex. The proviron will not only reduce estrogen and can be used for extended time on a testosterone cycle, it will also bind with great affinity to sex-hormone binding proteins in the blood and will allow for a higher level of free testosterone in the body, thus improving gains.
    Usually 50-100 mg will suffice, the lower end is preferred for maximal results since estrogen plays a key role in gains, but those more worried about estrogen should opt for a higher dose. For those worried about androgenic side-effects (hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, deepening of voice), one can utilize the hair loss treatment finasteride. This blocks the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and stops the conversion of testosterone to the more androgenic compound DHT. I'm not a big fan of this, because DHT reduces estrogenic bloat, increases free levels of testosterone and is a very potent androgen that is 3-4 times stronger than testosterone. Those worried about hair loss however, may want to opt for arimidex as their anti-aromatase, since Proviron is a form of DHT after all.
    After a cycle, mainly due to the high aromatization and increased levels of estradiol in the blood after discontinuing, natural testosterone levels will be severely suppressed. This means steps need to be taken to assure the quick return of natural testosterone, or we stand to lose a lot of the gains we made while using testosterone. Since it's a non-toxic, potent mass-builder its mostly used in long 10-12 week cycles. So some testicular shrinkage will have occurred too. Its very important that people see that HCG and Nolvadex/clomid are essential as a post-cycle therapy, and that both are equally important in achieving our goal. HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex/Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. Always remember that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid.


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    Testosterone Enanthate
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429
    Molecular weight of ester: 130.1864 (enanthoic acid, 7 carbons)
    Effective dose: 250-1000 mg/week
    Average Street-price: $10-20 per ml (200/250 mg/ml vials)
    Available Doses: 50, 100, 180, 200 or 250 mg/ml

    Characteristics:
    Testosterone is the prime male androgen in the body, and as such still the best possible mass builder in the world. It has a high risk of side-effects because it readily converts to a more androgenic form (DHT) in androgen responsive tissues and forms estrogen quite easily. But these characteristics also provide it with its extreme anabolic tendencies. On the one hand estrogen increases growth hormone output, glucose utilization, improves immunity and upgrades the androgen receptor, while on the other hand a testosterone/DHT combination is extremely potent at activating the androgen receptor and eliciting major strength and size gains. While not always the most visually appealing result, there is no steroid on earth that packs on mass like testosterone does.
    Like testosterone cypionate, enanthate is a single-ester and long-acting form of the base steroid testosterone. To me, its slightly better value for money than the aforementioned because its ester is only 7 instead of 8 carbons in length. Where that doesn't really change much in terms of release and blood concentration for users who inject on a weekly basis, that does mean that less of the weight is ester and more of it is testosterone. When taking an amount of an esterified steroid, that amount in terms of weight is a combination of the ester and the steroid. Naturally the longer the ester is, the more of the weight it takes up. So its safe to state that 500 mg of enanthate contains more testosterone than does 500 mg of cypionate. Not that this slight difference will be noted on a weekly pattern really, but its enough for me to give it a slight edge if given the choice. Although, as stated with cypionate, your choice between enanthate and cypionate is best based on availability. These are a much better choice than sustanon 250 or omnadren, which are blends of different testosterone esters, due to their irregular release. Nonetheless these versions still appear to be more popular with most users for some reason. Before you compare these to shorter esters under the pretense that even more of the weight would be testosterone, for bulking purposes the release pattern and injection pattern of an enanthate or cypionate is more fitting than that of say, a propionate ester. Enanthate and cypionate are very close in those terms, hence the comparison is possible.
    A long-acting testosterone ester may be the best for all your mass-building needs, but its not an easy product to use. Because of the extreme length of action (3-4 weeks) one cannot easily solve occurring problems by simply discontinuing the product, as it will continue to act and aggravate side-effects over extended periods of time. In regards to damage control and post-cycle therapy, some familiarity with the use of ancillary drugs is required prior to using a long-acting testosterone product. Nolvadex and Proviron will come in very handy in such cases and post-cycle HCG and clomid or Nolvadex will be required as well to help restore natural testosterone. Frequency of side-effects is probably highest with this type of product.
    While most will tell you it's a waste to not use testosterone, as it will take ages longer to build proper mass, these are all points to take into consideration. Testosterone is a product that is heavily used by beginners and veterans alike and justly so. Those who fear they may never understand the proper use of ancillary drugs, may want to suck it up and invest in some propionate or suspension testosterones instead. These are much shorter acting and easier to control, but they do need to be injected once every two days, whereas this type of ester will impart great gains with a single weekly injection. Something to keep in mind.

    Stacking and Use:
    Testosterone is the most powerful compound there is, so obviously its perfectly fine to use it by itself. With a long-acting ester like Enanthate doses of 500-1000 mg per week are used with very clear results over a 10 week period. If you've ever seen a man swell up with sheer size, then testosterone was the cause of it. But testosterone is nonetheless often stacked. Due to the high occurrence of side-effects, people will usually split up a stack in testosterone and a milder component in order to obtain a less risky cycle, but without having to give up as much of the gains. Primobolan, Equipoise and Deca-Durabolin are the weapons of choice in this matter.
    Deca seems to be the most popular, probably because of its extremely mild androgenic nature. But Deca being one of the highest risks for just about every other side-effects, I probably wouldn't advise it. If Deca is used, generally a dose of 200-400 mg is added to 500-750 mg of testosterone per week. Primobolan is sometimes opted for, and can be handy since it doesn't aromatize, which will make the total level of water retention and fat gain a lot less than with more test or with Deca for example. Unfortunately, its mild nature combined with a lack of estrogen make Primobolan a very poor mass builder. Again, doses of 300-400 mg are used. I would actually suggest a higher dose, but with the current prices for Primo I don't think it would be very popular. My personal preference goes out to Equipoise. Androgenically its not that much stronger than Deca because it has next to no affinity for the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and is only half as androgenic as testosterone. Its twice as strong as Deca, mg for mg, and has a lower occurrence of side-effects. It has some estrogen, but not a whole lot so it actually tends to lean a person out rather than bloat him up as Deca will. It also increases appetite, which promotes gains, and improves aerobic performance, which may be wishful as testosterone normally has an opposite effect.
    Of course testosterone Enanthate can be stacked with any number of compounds apart from these, but these make the best match. When stacking with testosterone, one needs to look at what the other compound can bring. Either it has a characteristic that testosterone doesn't have, or its nominally safer. The testosterone will bring all the mass, so adding another steroid to enhance mass alone, is futile. More testosterone is the best remedy for that.
    One needs to be familiar with a host of other compounds when using long-acting testosterone esters however. First of all, anti-estrogens. The rate of aromatization of testosterone is quite great, so water retention and fat gain are a fact and gyno is never far off. If problems occur one is best to start on 20 mg of Nolvadex per day and stay on that until problems subside. I wouldn't stay on it for a whole cycle, as it may reduce the gains. In terms of an aromatase blocker, testosterone is one of the few compounds where Proviron may actually be preferred over arimidex. The proviron will not only reduce estrogen and can be used for extended time on a testosterone cycle, it will also bind with great affinity to sex-hormone binding proteins in the blood and will allow for a higher level of free testosterone in the body, thus improving gains. Usually 50-100 mg will suffice, the lower end is preferred for maximal results since estrogen plays a key role in gains, but those more worried about estrogen should opt for a higher dose.
    For those worried about androgenic side-effects (hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, deepening of voice), one can utilize the hair loss treatment finasteride. This blocks the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and stops the conversion of testosterone to the more androgenic compound DHT. I'm not a big fan of this, because DHT reduces estrogenic bloat, increases free levels of testosterone and is a very potent androgen that is 3-4 times stronger than testosterone. Those worried about hair loss however, may want to opt for arimidex as their anti-aromatase, since Proviron is a form of DHT after all.
    After a cycle, mainly due to the high aromatization and increased levels of estradiol in the blood after discontinuing, natural testosterone levels will be severely suppressed. This means steps need to be taken to assure the quick return of natural testosterone, or we stand to lose a lot of the gains we made while using testosterone. Since it's a non-toxic, potent mass-builder its mostly used in long 10-12 week cycles. So some testicular shrinkage will have occurred too. Its very important that people see that HCG and Nolvadex/clomid are essential as a post-cycle therapy, and that both are equally important in achieving our goal. HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex/Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. Always remember that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid.

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    Testosterone Propionate
    Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (as Propionate)
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429
    Molecular weight of ester: 74.0792 (propionic acid, 3 carbons)
    Effective dose: 50-100 mg every two days
    Average Street-price: $5-15 per 50 mg
    Available Doses: 5, 10, 20, 25, 50, 100 mg/ml

    Characteristics:
    TThis is an esterified form of the base steroid steroid testosterone, much like enanthate, cypionate and sustanon 250. It's a superlipophillic, oil-based injectable that slows the release of the steroid into the blood stream. But compared to enanthate and cypionate, propionate is a very short ester and is still released quite fast. As such more frequent injections are needed. Levels will peak after 24-36 hours and begin tapering from there on out, making the longest possible time-span between injections, at least or proper results, about 3 days. Most athletes will opt to inject 50-100 mg every day to every other day.
    It's not the most user-friendly steroid of them all. Frequent injections can be painful to begin with, to a point where users will begin scouting for different locations to stick the needle, in order to not aggravate the same spots all the time. To make matters worse, its not that pleasant to inject either. The injection-site can become irritated and swell, and sometimes give incredible itches or soreness when touched. All these factors combined, you can see that this is the best form of testosterone to start off on for most beginners. And still. As discussed with enanthate and cypionate, a long-acting ester requires some skill with ancillary drugs and familiarity with post-cycle protocol since simple discontinuation will not put a halt to all problems. In that aspect, for those who do not master ancillaries and post-cycle therapy, propionate is perhaps a better product to start off with. Levels of androgens and estrogens will drop within 2-4 days of discontinuation, effectively halting or reducing any occurring side-effects. Nonetheless, this is a testosterone with a high risk of side-effects (the characteristics of testosterone do not change despite the ester, which is just a carrier) so the use of Nolvadex/proviron/Arimidex and so forth is highly advised if you plan to see a cycle through.
    What is of note with propionate, is that users have successfully incorporated it into cutting cycles as well. Especially people who tend to lose a lot of mass normally during extreme diet phases find this useful. By injecting every two or three days and using only 50-75 mg each time, no notable water builds up (or at least none that can't be fixed with proviron, arimidex or winstrol) and no fat is deposited, thus allowing a user to stay relatively lean. So this type of testosterone can be used to keep gaining or retaining mass until 2-3 weeks out of contest time with relatively little difficulty. Although most will choose to add Proviron (50-100 mg/day) out of precaution. Its best use is of course still in bulking phases to pack on mass. Testosterone is not the king of the hill of all mass-builders for nothing.
    On the American black market propionate is not an extremely available item, its most popular in Europe, where its use is more wide-spread than that of the long-acting esters. Its nonetheless a desired item almost anywhere in the world because it's a very controllable form of what is no doubt the most powerful steroid ever. The cost is quite high too, easily running 2 to 3 times more for a weekly dose than enanthate, cypionate or sustanon 250.

    Stacking and Use:
    As a short-lived oil based injectable, most will want to opt for doses of 50-100 mg every day to every other day. Those of a lighter stature seeking to use it for cutting purposes may want to make that every 2nd or 3rd day, or add proviron as a precaution instead, 50-100 mg/day sufficing in most cases. The site of injection is best rotated each time, or problem can occur. The compound is irritative and the damage to the skin and underlying tissue can cause some cosmetic problems if it becomes repetitive. Subcutaneously , balls of fat or tissue can build up. In most cases these need to surgically removed. So rotating is wise.
    For bulking purposes one is best to stack testosterone with a base compound such as Deca-durabolin (nandrolone) or Equipoise (boldenone), and can addition Dianabol (methandrostenolone) or Anadrol (oxymetholone) for 5-6 weeks, at the beginning, to kickstart the gains a bit. Most will choose for a more user-friendly, longer-acting testosterone for bulking purposes however. For cutting, the best and primary addition is that of Proviron, which will reduce if not stop estrogen build-up, increase muscle hardness and strength and allow for a higher free testosterone level. But naturally other compounds lend themselves quite well too. Base compounds such as Equipoise or Primobolan (methenolone) making a good match for longer stacks, and towards contest time steroids such as Anavar (oxandrolone), finaplix (Trenbolone) or Winstrol (Stanazolol) make the best matches, as they too will help increase muscle hardness and decrease body-fat, while maintaining lean muscle mass. With testosterone, most any combination is possible. Because testosterone is always the stronger compound in a stack.
    In terms of ancillaries, the use of anti-estrogens is advised. For cutting puposes one will want to run Proviron alongside the testosterone for the length of the stack, which will rarely make the use of other anti-estrogens a necessity. If no Proviron or arimidex is used, you may want to keep some Nolvadex handy. Should problems arise starting on 20-40 mg of Nolvadex until a while after problems subside should be sufficient for all intents and purposes. Testosterone, being a heavily aromatizing compound, is also quite suppressive of natural testosterone (most so, safe for nandrolone) so a post-cycle therapy with Nolva/Clomid and HCG is necessary. Usually one will start HCG the last week or two weeks of a stack and run it about 4 weeks. HCG shots of 1500-3000 IU given every 5th or 6th day. That means during the end of a cycle, one shot of HCG is given per two shots of testosterone. A user should also opt to wait on using clomid or Nolvadex until the androgen is cleared. For longer esters that was 1.5 to 2 weeks, obviously that time-frame should be reduced to 1 week or even half a week for propionate. One will then start on either 40-50 mg of Nolvadex or 150 mg of Clomid per day for a period of two weeks, and then follow it up with 20-25 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid per day for another two weeks. Post-cycle therapy will facilitate the return of natural testosterone and make it more likely for the user to retain most of the mass he gained while on the cycle.

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    Testosterone Suspension
    Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (as H2O suspension)
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429
    Effective dose: 25-100 mg/day
    Average Street-price: $5-10 per 50 mg
    Available Doses: 25, 100 mg/ml

    Characteristics:
    If testosterone is the most powerful mass builder, then gram for gram this is the most powerful testosterone. Suspension is pure testosterone and has no ester attached, and thus no ester calculated in the weight. Where 100 mg of a testosterone ester equals 100 mg minus the weight of the ester, 100 mg of testosterone suspension contains an actual 100 mg of the steroid. Very potent and very powerful. Although it is a rather crude compound, it is without a doubt very, very effective. Suspension is not only not esterified, its not even dissolved in oil the way esters are. Instead it is an aqueous suspension, much like the injectable forms of Winstrol/Stromba (stanazolol). Since a steroid, made of cholesterol, is somewhat lipophillic, it does not readily dissolve in water either. Just as with Winstrol, we will note that the steroid accumulates at the bottom, separated from its water environment if the vial is left sitting for a while. So before use a vial should be shaken, which will provide an even distribution, and then drawn out of the vial. It probably couldn't hurt to shake the syringe again before injecting as well.
    Because of its water carrier it does not go directly into the blood, but when it does enter the bloodstream it is released quite quickly delivering very high peak doses. It is injected every day, to every other day at the very least. Some seem to claim that water based steroids will still last in the body for several days on end, but this is not a generally accepted, let alone proven fact. In fact while the steroid probably does exert some action for 2-3 days, most athletes will opt to take advantage of the peak dose and inject it daily. If one sees that even a short ester steroid like propionate is injected every day to every other day in most cases, this logic is easy to follow.
    One reason for the extreme success users have had with testosterone suspension is no doubt the extreme doses used. Where one would take 50 mg of winstrol every day to every other day, suspension is injected daily at 100 mg in most cases. Factoring in that there is more testosterone per mg than in an esterified form, it's a safe conclusion that this is almost twice the dose of any other form of testosterone normally used. The results are nothing safe of amazing. Using the optimal peak doses of the steroid, weight is gained at an amazing rate and the steroid accumulates faster than with esters, so gains are seen in a lot shorter time-frame as well. Stack that with another base steroid and an aromatizable oral such as Dianabol (methandrostenolone) and one should not be amazed at weight increases of up to 30 pounds in 8 weeks.
    Because of the high peak doses and the extreme amounts used, the characteristics tend to become more pronounced as well. The muscle gain is usually accompanied by severe bloat and water retention, some adipose storage and the risk of gyno is never too far off. Being a very androgenic component as well, suspension may aggravate male pattern hair loss, cause prostate hypertrophy, increase body and facial hair, deepen the voice and so forth, quite easily, in comparison to other steroids. These all need to be taken into account. Despite its controllable nature and short frame of action, suspension is mostly used for bulking purposes. Even with concomitant use of Proviron, some water retention can still occur. Perhaps due to the extreme doses used.
    Just as with the water-based injectable Winstrol, suspension too is believed to be able to give local growth if injected in a particular area, which has no doubt increased its popularity. Its slightly friendlier to inject than Winstrol or Propionate, because it has a very small crystalline form that passes through a 27 gauge needle easily. But the injections will still not be the most pleasant ones ever felt. Especially when given daily. I myself do not attach a whole lot of belief to the theory of site injection and local growth, but some big names in this industry such as Bill Llewellyn seem to lend it some form of credibility. So I will not elaborate on this debacle anymore than I have. For those willing to give it a shot, I'm sure it can't hurt (well it will hurt, but it won't hurt your gains no matter where you inject it).
    The number of available suspensions in the world has been reduced to 5, and is therefore not the easiest product to locate on the black market. In Australia the compound can still easily be found, and no doubt a whole host of Mexican imports. Because the crystalline form is quite sophisticated, I wouldn't dream of purchasing suspension from an underground source, one may be disappointed and literally hurt if trying to inject a cruder form of suspension. I wouldn't really trust any other form besides the 5 listed above at this moment in time.

    Stacking and Use:
    Because anyone would be hard-pressed to use this particular steroid for cutting, it should really only be administered for bulking purposes. Its not immediately a compound for beginners, it requires some skill. First of all to site inject and rotate injection sites, but also to deal with the occurrence of side-effects, which may be a little more pronounced than with testosterone esters. The compound is best injected daily, using 50-100 mg per day. It is best stacked with other products for the express purpose of adding mass, probably a base compound with a lower occurrence of androgenic side-effects such as Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise in doses of 300-400 mg per week. On can of course, as usual add an oral bulking agent such as Dianabol (methandrostenolone) or Anadrol (oxymetholone) to kickstart gains, but testosterone suspension should deliver results in a shorter time-span than esterified testosterones, mostly due to high peak doses and immediate accumulation. Although for best results one would opt to use it for 10-12 weeks, few will last that long with giving themselves daily injections.
    An anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex is best kept on hand, as there is little doubt that estrogenic problems will occur. Using 30-40 mg/day until well after problems have subsided is advised. Cautious individuals will opt to run proviron or arimidex, aromatase blockers, alongside testosterone suspension to prevent any estrogen from building up. While this will strongly reduce gains, testosterone suspension is still a very adequate compound. Proviron is to be given preference as an aromatase blocker with all forms of testosterone, but those prone to androgenic side-effects such as male pattern hair loss would do wise to invest in the stronger and more expensive arimidex, since proviron can increase androgen-related side-effects.
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    IF you are a woman using AAS, please share your experiences and even log it here.
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    Philosophy On Women And AAS
    okay ladies, here goes...my opinions on woman and AAS use, pro's and con's.
    Pro's are; increased muscle mass, sexual desire, energy, decrease in bf percentage, increase in strength. hair, skin and nails grow faster, better moods, no ups and downs pertaining to PMS.

    Con's are; possible side effects (aggresiveness, acne, water retension, enlarged clitoris).
    primarily, what im trying to stress here are the cons are dose related, when you first started lifting weights, did you start off heavy? no....same reasoning is behind AAS use, start with small doses, work your way up, this way, if sides start to appear, you can get yourself off ASAP.

    Esters: (injectables)
    Slow release; slow release esters (decanoate, undecylenate, isocaprote).....slow release esters decrease the chances of spikes in your hormones levels thus, decreasing the chances of sides, but, if sides do appear, it takes longer for the AAS to get out of your system.

    Fast release; fast release esters (propinate, suspension)....one plus to using a fast release ester is if you do experience side effects, the AAS can get out of your system faster, alot faster. on the downside, getting AAS into your system this fast does spike your hormone levels fast, therefore leading (in some cases) to sides.

    Oral use; the reasoning for not staying on orals for a long period of time is the damaging effects it has on your liver. i have done very long runs of orals, with no damage to my liver, but again, kept my doses very small.

    TAPER! TAPER! TAPER! this is THE most important factor when women are using steroids. take a couple of extra weeks to "taper" off your cycle. adding "sythetic" test to your body will cause an increase in estrogen levels. if you just "stop" your cycle, you will run into problems....you think pms from your peroid is bad?

    one of the biggest problem with use of AAS in women is there is hardly any information out there on this subject, it's fairly new territory.

    just as a side note; water-based injectables (winstrol, suspension) cause an increased risk of abcess as opposed to using an oil-based injectable.
    i guess my point behind this thread is to stress that women should always start out with small doses..no matter what their preference is in AAS. start off small, work your way up...and do your homework, make sure you know what you are taking, and the possible side effects behind it.
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    Cutting and steroids


    Q n A with DK

    A: Before you start, I'm flattered really I am to be speaking with the A-A board. I'm not the world's greatest cutter. I like to stay between (yes measured, not just throwing numbers out there) 14-17% bodyfat, which is what the pictures I have up here on A-A are pretty much around. I've gone down to about 10% twice now, but it really just kinda hinders any progress and isn't comfortable for me, if I plan to go under 10% ever it will be for two reasons. Either I'm competing, or I'm testing how to really cut, in preparation for a competiton a more than a year out so I know how my body works at extreme deficits. If you want great advice, PM WhomperFit. Hahahaha now your PM box is going to be at 100% constantly whompie...Have fun!


    Q: So what should I use to cut.

    A: You don't understand what I just wrote above there before we started our Q n A. Steroids. Do. Not. Burn. Fat.

    Q: Then why do people cut with gear, you seem like your keeping all the secrets to yourself you deuscher!

    A: Precontest, it allows you to maintain maximal muscle while on an extreme caloric defecit.

    Q: Ok but I insist on using to cut. Everyone does it, how should I go about it? I have in mind 1g-2g anabolics, mostly test for my androgen scheduling.

    A: Holy ballsack. Overkill. 500mg test is all you should need maybe a thermogenic if you insist. 2g anabolics? Get ready to be a watery fat sweaty muscley son of a gun. Do you need boldenone? Why it doesnt aid any fatloss, infact your appetite will probably go up. Do you need masteron? Nope. Do you need tren? Well...It might help but do you really NEED it? It's a 19-nor and comes with its own problems. Your choice.

    Q: I want to use a fuckton of tren I hear that burns fat.

    A: We could debate this all day long. It may, but nowhere near the levels of a good diet and ECA or something similar.

    Q: I want to use t3, clen, and ECA, how can I best incorporate these?

    A: First off, I'm the wrong guy to talk to so lets get some info in here on this stuff. I rarely drop below 12% I've been to 10% and stayed sorta long term only once in my life really at about 190 pounds...Was a good time, but my body doesnt like going low, so I'm not oging to 10 or sub 10 again unless I compete or want to test how I would react to a competition.

    Heres my advice. First, I just kinda think...You should be able to get to 10% with diet. If you can't do this...Sorry to call you lazy, but your lazy. I would feel bad advising you to hop on all kinds of adrenergic receptor agonists if you have troulbe eating properly...

    Theres a crazy diet plan out there all the rage today, it's called, "Eat Less, and Move More!"

    Ok thats out of the way...But yeah...Really I would only tell someone to resort to this stuff when they need to get the last little bit off, or get below 10% where it gets hard, which is pretty much why I never could do it. I'm sure I could if I absolutely had to for a contest, but your going to loose LOTS Of muscle.

    Which brings me to my next point. Have I ever used t3? No. Do I know people who have? Yes. They felt like shit. All of them. They lost HUGE amounts of muscle, and their lifts suffered like 40 or even 50% decreases sometimes depending on energy levels. 125mcg+ WAY TO FREAKIN MUCH unless you ABSOLTUELY know what your doing and have VERY good reason for using that much. Honestly 25mcg will pretty much replace physiologic levels because AAS supress thyroid function a bit, but point is you probably dont need t3.

    Clen...I'm the wrong person to ask. Tried it once, thought I was gong to die. Ask someone who likes that crap.

    ECA, like it. Love it. Great energy for the gym 200mg caffeine and 25mg ephedra 3x daily can work wonders I usually woudl take it before the gym in the AM. Don't take this anywhere near bedtime, and PLEASE watch stimulant intake from otehr sources like preworkout mixes.

    Using these in conjuction can be a dangerous game. Synergistic effects happen when you start mixing multiple adrenergic agonists (clen/albuterol/ECA) Just because your off X one day and take Y one day, depending on doses doesnt mean crap. Like the drugs know the sun rose and set? Both vey possibly will be in your system at the same time. Just be aware of this.

    I also wouldnt advise jumping into t3+clen alternating with ECA if you dont know what these do individually...Come on guys use your heads here.

    Q: How much cardio shoudl I be doing? I'm getting about 300-500 calories burned from cardio

    A: Increase. Dont go nuts, walk it. 120bpm-140bpm. Recently I've started doing it twice a day with 35 (with 5 cool down included there) intervals HR median about 130-135. Helps. If your running 20 minutes-30 minutes a day, why the heck are you pursuing all these other drugs to aid fatloss first? I find cardio more and more to be a huge misconception. Guys don't do it because "It burns muscle tissue". Nice excuse, heres my time to brag, I can elliptical for 90 mins no problem HR 155-170, and I dead maxes 515 a little over 2 weeks ago. I think thats really a blow out of proportion point. True it does, but anytime you loose weight you burn muscle, so split cardio into twice a day if your really concerned.

    Q: Serious bodybuilders dont really do cardio though and their RIPPED

    A: First, wrong. Top level guys will do it everyday somtimes an hour a day sometimes more. This is just an excuse again to not do cardio. Cardio keeps your heart healthy, very important. When pros DONT do cardio, they have a very specific reason they don't, and they will probably be OK fatwise, their BMR is about 3 times yours...

    Q: I want to get my bodyfat down to about say 6 or 7% hover there for summer, bulk back up limit myself to about 14% no fatter, then come back down to 10% and stay there long term. Sound good brah?

    A: I enjoy your story. In reality though it sounds scientifically and muscletechily interesting, who cares about bodyfat percentages. If someone sees you they aren't going to calculate your bodyfat in their head and only approve of yoru physique if its below xx.xx%. Just do work son. Don't worry about arbitrary numbers. By the way, 6 or 7% for the normal person not planning on competing, IF you think you can stay over say 175 pounds if pretty fuckin stacked in my opinion. If you insist on achieving a certain bodyfat % goal, be realistic. Some of us don't realize what these numbers mean. You see a guy on the street whos fairly built and 10% your head is turning and your going "wtf who let THAT out of the cage". A guy who is a gym rat and not hollister girljeans skinny at 10% is not something you see everyday. Also really makes you appreciate competitors once you realize what sub 6% bodyfat starts to look like and how unbelievably hard it is to achieve. 3-4% bodyfat is literally killing yourself to achieve, the body can NOT stay there, so unless you ARE competing, if for nothing else but respect for competitors, lets not non-chalantly toss numbers around 6% or lower around so casually LOL.

    Q: My nips are always puffy, what kinda AI or Letro protocol should I use for this?

    A: First, probably its just puffy from diet or a slight food allergy in my opinion (yes everyone has slight food allergies, it can cause puffiness and bloating and gi problems, not all food allergies mean you need an epipen), avoid grains and dairy as everyone is just a tad allergic to these. Get your diet going and I mean really going, count cals, if you still arent loosing LOWER cals, start to see those numbers fall, start to watch those abs coming is as the fat dries off your mid section. Feel your nips, they should (9 times out of 10) start to become much less puffy. It's always best to try this approach first before adding a chemical aid to help. If you still need it may be time to try some letro at .5mg ed, maybe 1mg ed to get the ball rolling for a week. I'm actually not a fan of AI's long term for a number of reasons, but if you insist (probably wrongly IMO) your 'estrosensitive' run aromasin. This is the easiest on your body for longer durations. True gyno needs surgery and theres no other way around it. Ask your doctor if you are truly concerned. There are members on this board who have had this surgery done, its a fairly routine procedure expect 3-5k in bills.



    I guess I just made this thread because everyone is getting WAY overcomplicated with cutting. Come on guys its simple. Eat less, move more. Yes your going to loose muscle. Theres no way around it. If you are dieting and you haven't started to look noticably different after 8 weeks, your doing it wrong. You dont need to change compounds, you need to cut another 500-750 cals out. More drugs means more problems. I usually stay around 14-15% cause I feel the most comfortable here, but I've been down to 10% before, did it with NOTHING, no aas, not thermos, just diet, cardio, time, wasn't to hard, its just consistency.

    Worst thing to do is be not consistent and use a bunch of crap and still not get where you want. Then your just endangering your health for no reason. Just wanted to bring this topic up, think before you leap type of thing, but in the end do what you will, just know if your having problems dont think compounds first, and always assume (because you probably are) your making this way harder than it should be...
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    What is it?


    Insulin is a polypeptide hormone secreted by the isles of Langerhans in the pancreas. Insulin is the hormone responsible for regulating carbohydrates and fats metabolized by the body. Insulin causes cells in muscle and fat tissue to intake glucose from the blood, and stores it as glycogen in muscle tissue or store it away as an energy source as fat tissue.


    Types of Insulin

    Insulin is primarily used to treat diabetes and since every person is different hundreds of Insulins are on the market. Insulin is usually classified as one of three classifications. Short Acting Insulin which is used before meals to regulate blood glucose levels on a meal to meal basis, Short Acting Insulin typically has a very high peak which sets in quickly. The second is, Intermediate Insulin which is typically shot 2-3 times a day with a long but moderate concentration peak. Sometimes Intermediate Insulin comes as a blend of both short and longer acting insulin which typically causes multiple peak concentrations, which typically leaves Intermediate Insulin the least popular by most avenues. Finally, we have Long Acting Insulin which is shot typically once a day at the same time each day; Long Acting Insulin does not have a peak concentration and is used consistently throughout the day mimicking a healthy pancreas secretion. Long Acting insulin can be shot any time, even before bed, as long as it is shot at the same time each day because the levels are always the same, whether it’s one hour post injection, twelve hours, or twenty four hours.

    Short Acting
    Humalog
    Humulin R
    Novolin

    Intermediate Acting
    NPH
    Lente

    Long Acting
    Lantus
    Levemir


    Insulin for Bodybuilding

    Traditionally the belief has been present that the faster acting the insulin the better it is for bodybuilding, whether this is true or not has yet to be fully determined. There has been a rising popularity of Long Acting Insulin in the world of bodybuilding, notably in Europe. However, Intermediate and Insulin blends have never been widely used in bodybuilding and one would be hard pressed to find any appropriate dosing protocols for it.

    Humalog is viewed as the King of Insulin for bodybuilding it is the fastest acting Insulin commercially available. Humalog has an onset of 15 minutes, peaks in blood concentration between 30 minutes and an hour and 30 minutes, and has an active duration of roughly 6 hours; however after the peak concentration Insulin levels drop drastically with Humalog and most studies suggest it to be safe to inject Humalog every 4 hours. Although Humalog seems great because it is so fast acting and thus has a smaller window of time needed to monitor diet, it also leads to a much higher peak level and thus much more risk of reaching severely low blood sugar.

    Humulin-R is the second most popular type of exogenous Insulin used in bodybuilding. Humulin-R is not as fast acting as Humalog; however this is not necessarily a bad thing. Many people now suggest that Humalog acts to fast in the body and the full benefits cannot be achieved with such fast acting insulin. This belief makes Humulin-R a very popular choice, being slightly longer acting than Humalog, the onset of Humulin-R is 30 minutes, it peaks within 2 hours and 4 hours, and is active in the body for 10 hours. Many people believe that the slightly longer life and peak concentration of Humulin-R makes it more favourable because it takes advantage of more macro nutrients being absorbed. Humulin-R has an onset rapid enough to benefit from a post workout shake containing protein and a fast acting insulin to quickly shuttle glucose to the muscles storing it as glycogen, while its 2-4 hour peak lets your muscles benefit from a bodybuilders typically 1-1.5 hour post workout meal which typically contains, high protein, very high complex carbohydrates and moderate healthy fats. While the complex carbohydrates are being broken down by the body the insulin is still active and thus taking advantage of more of the nutrients, and leading to a larger span of time with heightened glycogen reserves. Much like Humalog, Humulin-R can lead to severely low blood sugar and during the active life, more so during the peak level, any person considering using insulin must be able to closely watch glucose levels to ensure no ill effects arise.

    Lantus and Levemir besides being relatively new to the bodybuilding world is also new to medicine and less trial and error has been conducted with these long acting insulins. Lantus has an onset of 1-2 hours, and has an active life of 24-26 hours. Levemir has an onset of 1-3 hours and an active life of 20-24 hours. These two insulins have been designed for longer action, and are considered “background insulin”, these insulins were designed to keep blood glucose levels safe during times of fasting. Since these insulins are not a blend and so long acting they don’t have a traditional peak, levels are slightly higher 6-10 hours after the shot, but nothing like a peak of Humalog of Humulin-R. These insulins are so sustained that many people opt to shoot it before bed, making the “peak” slightly after they awake the next morning. Since these Insulins are virtually peakless you can shoot it any time during the day, however, it MUST be shot at the same time everyday and MUST be shot 7 days a week.

    Recently as the bodybuilding world has set its eye on these long acting insulins more and more people have used them and more people have talked about them openly. Some concerns and comments have arisen that appear to have very little explanation behind it. This is only because there are really no bodybuilding gurus doing to many tests on these things and thus less “bro-science” is being spread. However if one is to look into medical journals many of these questions have been answered by trained and qualified professionals.

    Several people have claimed that using Lantus and Levemir have caused them to bloat, without people looking further into this is has just been believed that for some reason these insulins cause water retention. Likewise, in clinical trials of Lantus many patients claimed that they increased a lot of water retention in their arms, legs, chest and back. Several of these people also claimed that the drug was causing strain on several muscle groups, particularly; bicep, anterior deltoids, and lower back. This side effect was looked into heavily, in fear of causing and increasing blood pressure issues in diabetic patients. Biopsies revealed that the glycogen levels in these muscle groups ranged between 3-4x normal levels, which lead to the initial dose of .6iu/kg of bodyweight to be lower to .2iu/kg of bodyweight. That’s right all the concerns about water retention were actually cases of extreme glycogen retention in the muscle groups (for anyone not following along that is the goal of using insulin in bodybuilding).

    Lantus offers a benefit over Levemir that is very intriguing to the bodybuilding world. Lantus increases IGF-1 receptor expression to a great degree and Lantus acts on these receptors with a much stronger affinity than human insulin or any other insulin preparation available to date. Although this has spurred some concerned because two forms of cancer (mainly a certain breast cancer) are accelerated by IGF-1, however this is not a new concern. Anyone using HGH or IGF-1/IGF-1 LR3 is inducing similar effects with the same possible outcome. However, Lantus is not increasing the amount of IGF-1 circulating the body like HGH or injectable IGF-1, it is similar increasing the receptors sensitivity and outgoing effects. This, although untested may offer a huge benefit while using HGH or IGF-1 because the receptor cells are much more likely to benefit from the increases amount of IGF-1.


    Dosing

    All insulin use should be closely monitored through a blood glucose meter, and even if protocol calls for an increase of dose if blood sugar becomes too low, you should determine whether to stop insulin all together or to simply lower or keep the same dose. All people are different, this means each person will have different insulin resistance and react differently to a certain dose.

    Short Acting Insulins; Humalog and Humulin-R

    Typically, when an athlete decides to start using short acting insulin it is strongly advised to use it only once per day and post workout. All Insulins whether Short or Long Acting should have its dose tapered up to an optimal dose, even if you have used insulin before you should still taper the dose on each run of insulin. Diets and body functions change and thus you may not respond to insulin the same way today as you did six months ago, you may not need to taper as long as an experienced user but it is never advised to begin with a maximum dose.

    Most people find that 10-15 IU of short acting insulin is an optimal maximum dose, however higher doses are not unheard of. Higher doses are not advised and should not be considered on your first several runs of insulin, no matter how big or experienced with other performance enhancing drugs you are. INSULIN IS A TOTALLY DIFFEENT BEAST. It is advised that someone on their first run of fast acting insulin begins with a dose of 2 IU post workout and increases the dose by 2 IU each increase. I would advise people not to increase a dose more than once every 5 days. Even if 2 IU seems like a waste, bodybuilding is not a sprint, it’s a marathon and thus there is no rush to reach a max dose. After no time at all you will have reached your max dose and you will have done this in the safest way possible.

    After becoming well versed with post workout short acting insulin use one might decide to use insulin in other ways to optimize performance. The most typical alternate dosing scheme consists of a pre-meal shot with your first meal to shuttle as much glucose into the muscles and increase glycogen while the rest time anabolic window is still open. You should time your workout at least 5-6 hours after your first meal so you can optimize the use of a post workout shot as well. If you workout in the morning do not use a post workout shot if you have used a pre-meal shot within the last 4 hours, this will lead to unstable blood levels and an unpredictable max concentration peak, which may be too difficult to control.

    Another recently popular protocol consists of a pre-workout insulin shot; the goal in this is to increase glycogen reserves heavily before the workout. Although this protocol is gaining popularity it is unadvised by many people for many reasons. The biggest reason is safety; insulin acts much different in the body during strenuous activity, so much so that there are even precautions on insulin sleeves when you buy insulin. Companies like Lilly have entire web pages dedicated to Insulin and Exercise because it changes things so much. Another reason and the one that many high level bodybuilders will express is someone dedicated to bodybuilding enough to use insulin should have their diet dialled in perfectly. If your diet is on point during a bulk season (the only advised time to use insulin) your glycogen reserves in your muscles should be completely full before a workout because of a few good meals consisting of both simple and complex carbohydrates. Insulins like Humalog and Humulin-R have no mechanism to increase the amount of glycogen reserved passed a certain point and the only way to increase it is a constant build up which increases the size of the muscles which can be accomplished with diet, AAS and post workout insulin use.

    Long Acting Insulins; Lantus and Levemir

    These two long acting insulins are typically shot once a day, although some diabetics opt to shoot a smaller dose two times daily. As far as bodybuilding is concerned one shot a day should suffice. The medicinal dose of Lantus is .2IU/kg of bodyweight; this means a 200lb man would shoot 18IU/day to simply replicate a healthy level of endogenous insulin. I would advise you to find the medicinal dose for someone of your bodyweight and use this as your starting dose, any less and it is pretty much pointless to use because your healthy pancreas would be creating more, and any more you are putting yourself at unknown risk. Much like short acting insulins you will taper your dose up, I would recommend increasing your dose every 5 days until you find an optimal spot, which is typically around .45IU/kg but everyone will vary. Since you are completely replacing your natural insulin levels for an entire 24 hour period, your insulin resistance will increase with extended use. Because of this, if you plan on increasing your dose you MUST shoot every single day, no 5 days on 2 days off.



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    Basics of GH peptides.

    These peptides encourage a natural release of endogenous growth hormone stored in somatotrophs of the anterior pituitary. As we age our GH stores are basically the same but the levels at which they are released falls off considerably. Using a combination of two peptides, GHRH (growth hormone releasing hormone) and GHRP (growth hormone releasing peptide), allows us to fully utilise the potential of these unused stores in a more natural way than with synthetic GH. Rather than the ever present HGH with its long half life we use peptides to release natural GH in pulses. After being emptied the somatotrophs replenish these stores after approx 3 hours which allows for 3 daily doses... upon waking, post workout, and pre-bed. Generally we class saturation doses at 100mcg of each and for this purpose it is the best starting point. I wouldn't go above this for diminishing returns would cause this to become expensive with little extra in the way of results. If money was an issue you could drop the dose or knock a dose off certain days.


    Ideal for anabolism is as follows:

    GHRH (modGRF 1-29) 100mcg x3 per day
    GHRP (2,6, or Ipamorelin) 100mcg x3 per day



    Dose Timings: (doses to drop if money is an issue)

    Upon waking (this is the dose I'd drop on workout days)
    Post Workout (this is the dose I'd drop non workout days)
    Pre-bed

    Rather than dropping a dose you could cut back to 50-75mcg of the GHRH.

    As these are natural pulses of GH no break is needed and it can be ran for life. Results are seen quicker than with synthetic GH and sides are lessened. Expect an increase in fat loss, fuller muscles, faster recovery and the pains and aches to improve. Long term expect results on par with HGH. Results will always be more pronounced when on cycle but these are great year round... a real benefit.



    Food Timings:

    The GH pulse is blunted by food (mainly carbs and fats) so peptide administration should be undertaken on an empty stomach or at worst with protein only.
    Try to follow the rough guide below.

    Administer Peptides on Empty Stomach
    Consume Protein 5-10 mins after (isolate or carb free are best suited)
    Consume a Complete Meal 15-25 mins after peptide administration... by which time the GH pulse has peaked.



    GHRPs to choose from...

    GHRP-2 - Most effective at GH release but raises prolactin and cortisol a little for a short period of time.

    GHRP-6 - Less effective but can cause an increase in hunger plus less of a rise in prolactin and cortisol.

    Ipamorelin - Gentlest GHRP with nearly no rise in prolactin and cortisol but less GH release. Good if you suffer sleep problems from the other two.




    Different GHRH analogs

    GHRH - 44 amino acid chain as produced in the body. Half life of minutes.

    GRF (1-29) - 15 useless amino acids removed. Still has half life of minutes.
    CJC-1288 is this analog with DAC attached but still degrades within minutes.


    GRF (1-29) with a single amino acid sub - half life of between 5-10 minutes. Aka CJC-1293 w/o DAC.
    CJC-1293 is this analog with DAC attached extending the half life but causing GH bleed.

    THIS IS THE ONE YOU WANT... ALL OTHERS ARE PRACTICALLY USELESS.
    Tetrasub GRF (1-29) with 4 amino acid subs - half life of 30 minutes. AKA modGRF (1-29) & CJC-1295 w/o DAC
    CJC-1295 is this analog with DAC attached extending the half life to days but causing GH bleed.



    So my preference is the above GHRH analogue which is a must along with GHRP-2. With this GHRP if you notice a rise in prolactin causing sleep problems (usually only if sensitive) you can simply back down the dose and still get an equal release of GH when compared to Ipa.

    When reconstituting use bac water and store refrigerated... like hCG. You want to mix with the minimum amount of liquid possible which will limit degradation. The GHRPs will be good for a few weeks but the GHRH should be used within 10 days imo. Freeze all unused vials in an area of the freezer where it won't keep seeing changes in temp due to the door opening and shutting. Bottom back is good! Once ready to reconstitute remember to allow the vial to come back to room temp before mixing to avoid any shock. Leaving on the side for a few hours should suffice.

    Don't just shop by price, instead choose a trusted source even if it means you spending a little more. You need to be certain you are getting what you paid for. If you ended up receiving anything other than the GHRH analogue with 4 amino acid substitutions it would basically be useless.

    CJC is just a fancy name incorrectly used for GHRH analogs. If listed as CJC be sure to look for 1295 without DAC. You want to avoid DAC (drug affinity complex) at all costs. To be sure contact the company and ask how many amino acid substitutions the GHRH had... it should be 4 without DAC attached.

    Adding hGH to the protocol

    Best way is to dose the peptides and wait 10-15 mins before administering the hGH. A good and cost effective protocol would be as follows:

    AM Upon Waking
    Peptides followed by (2iu) hGH 10-15 mins later

    PWO/Lunch
    Peptides followed by (2iu) hGH 10-15 mins later

    Pre Bed
    Peptides only



    Mixing Peptides:

    Firstly you must choose the correct diluent. Quite often you will be supplied a diluent with the dry powder but this is usually meant for immediate use and will not keep the peptide stable and bacteria free for any real length of time. This should be discarded and the correct diluent used to preserve the shelf life and sterility of the solution.

    Bacteriostatic (BAC) water - this is a sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol (BA) added which helps keep the compound sterile long after being reconstituted. This is suitable for most peptides except from IGF.

    Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride solution - as above only with 0.9% sodium chloride (NaCl) also added. The solution is isotonically compatible to be injected into the human body. This is suitable for most peptides except from IGF.

    0.6% Acetic Acid (AA) - used to reconstitute IGF providing the maximum shelf life.

    Once reconstituted all peptides are better stored in a refrigerator which minimises degradation.

    Now to the measuring...

    There are two things to consider first...

    1.) The less dilutant you use the more stable the peptides will be. So why not just go with the minimum amount possible... right?

    2.) Every pin, even insulin syringes, contains dead space at the end of the barrel through to the end of the needle. So if you make your solution too concentrated, whilst increasing the stability, you also waste more active ingredient due to this dead space. For example if I mixed up my hCG at 250iu per 0.1ml more of the active hCG will be left in the dead space of the needle than if I mixed it at 250iu/0.5ml.

    My preference for mixing:

    hCG - I mix this at 250iu/0.25ml
    hMG - I mix this at 75iu/0.5ml
    GHRP-2 - I mix this at 100mcg/0.04ml
    GHRH (modGRF 1-29) - I mix this at 100mcg/0.04ml

    But remember it is up to you how you choose to do this. With the more stable peptides like hCG or hMG you can get away with using a larger volume of liquid whereas with less stable peptides like GHRP's and GHRH's it would be better to use less solution minimising degradation.

    I mix GH Peptides as follows

    GHRH (modGRF 1-29 aka CJC-1295 w/o DAC)

    This usually comes in a 2mg (2000mcg) vial...
    2mg of powder - dilute with 0.8ml of bac water to make 100mcg=4iu (or 0.04ml)

    GHRP (2,6, Ipamorelin)

    This usually comes in a 5mg (5000mcg) vial...
    5mg of powder - dilute with 2.0ml of bac water to make 100mcg=4iu (or 0.04ml)



    Pros

    Increased Fat Loss
    Muscle Acquisition
    Improved Energy
    Improved Sleep
    Lower Sides in Comparison to Synthetic (22kDa only) GH
    Natural Pulses rather than Constant Circulation
    Results seen Faster than Synthetic GH
    Improved Recovery
    Injury Repair

    Cons

    The stronger GHRP's may cause a small and short rise in prolactin and cortisol which will return to baseline soon after. If the subject is hyper-sensitive to these hormones then they may have to reduce the dose or switch to gentler GHRP's (Ipamorelin, GHRP-6).

    Using a natural L-Dopa product is useful for countering the rise in prolactin. Mucuna Pruriens 40% L-Dopa is what I use @ 350mg EOD taken in the evening an hour before bed.


    Cookie Cutter Dosing Guide

    This is based on training EOD and doing cardio on alternative days. I have left out all the other supps I use and am focusing on peptides only.

    A - Training Days

    Morning Dose

    Upon Waking on Empty Stomach:

    GHRP2 - 100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg

    5-10 mins after - Whey Protein (Isolate preferably)
    15-20 mins after - Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)

    Post Workout Lunchtime

    Immediately PWO on Empty Stomach:

    GHRP2 - 100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg

    5-10 mins after - Whey Protein (Isolate preferably)
    15-20 mins after - Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)

    Pre-Bed

    30 mins Pre-bed on Empty Stomach:

    Mucuna Pruriens 40% L-Dopa 350mg 15 mins before

    GHRP2 - 75-100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg

    5-10 mins after - Milk/Casien Protein (Isolate preferably)
    15-20 mins after - Small Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)


    B - Cardio Days

    Morning Dose

    Upon Waking on Empty Stomach:

    GHRP2 - 100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg
    + Thermo of your choice

    Cardio 1-1.5 hours after

    15 mins after cardio - Whey Protein (Isolate preferably)
    30-45 mins after cardio - Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)

    Lunchtime/Mid Afternoon

    On Empty Stomach:

    GHRP2 - 100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg

    5-10 mins after - Whey Protein (Isolate preferably)
    15-20 mins after - Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)

    Pre-Bed

    30 mins Pre-bed on Empty Stomach:

    GHRP2 - 75-100mcg
    ModGRF 1-29 - 100mcg

    5-10 mins after - Milk/Casien Protein (Isolate preferably)
    15-20 mins after - Small Complete meal (Protein, Complex Carbs, Good Fats)


    Another thing maybe overlooked about this combination is their direct effect on recovery and Leydig cell function.

    GH and IGF both play a role in development of new Leydigs cells. Any increase in Leydig cell numbers also increases the amount of testosterone synthesis the testicles have the ability to achieve. For PCT (and during cycle) this would be very beneficial especially as the pituitary begins to release LH again not too long after the negative feedback loop shuts down.

    GH was found to increase the level of IGF-I in Leydig cells. These peptides increase IGF levels for short periods in tune with the pulsatile release of GH. These short bursts of IGF stimulate testosterone production in Leydig cells better than constantly raised IGF levels.

    Add this to the many other benefits of increased GH pulses both on cycle, off cycle, and during PCT.

    Hope this covers everything!

    Respect to Datbtrue who we owe thanks for the time he has dedicated, whilst many disbelieved, to researching and sharing his in depth understanding of natural GH release, peptides and all we now take for granted.

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    Strategies for using HGH

    There are many different approaches to taking HGH. The right approach for your particular situation will depend on your goals. For many, HGH is a general purpose supplement to help maintain low bodyfat percentages and reasonable levels of lean body mass. For others who have reached their genetic potential for growth, HGH is a supplement that can assist in continued growth beyond what mother nature gave you to work with. For yet others, it is a supplement that is used for general health and healing of injuries. Let€™s look at each of these uses with respect to a reasonable HGH program.

    To begin with, it should be stated that for the vast majority of HGH users, results are not rapid and earthshaking in nature. If your idea of using HGH is to get ripped in a few weeks, gaining 20 pounds of muscle in a matter of a month or two, or being miraculously healed in a matter of a few injections €¦ you are likely in for a BIG disappointment. HGH does some pretty incredible things, but it HAS to be viewed as a long-term endeavor. A reasonable length HGH cycle would be 20-30 weeks in length. While you will always be able to find the one or two individuals who will make great strides in a short amount of time, the majority need to be dedicated to its use for the long haul for it to be a worthy venture.

    As mentioned in our introduction to HGH, one of the major roles it plays in growth is by its passing through the liver, which in turn secretes IGF-1. This process is cumulative in nature, and it will take some time for your exogenous HGH use to bring your IGF-1 levels to create an environment conducive to optimal growth. While it is true that HGH begins shuttling nutrients to your muscles, and begins mobilizing fat from the first injection, these behind the scenes benefits will only be VISIBLE several weeks (up to 12) down the road.

    DOSING

    For anti-aging, general health & healing, fat mobilization
    For these purposes, a dose of 2-3 IU€™s per day will be sufficient for the majority. A dose of 1.5 to 2.0 IU€™s is considered to be a full replacement dose for those in their middle-age and beyond.

    For gaining lean muscle and substantially improving body composition
    For this purpose a dose of 4-8 IU€™s per day will be necessary. Most people will respond very well at a dose of 4-5 IU's per day.
    For maximum benefit in this regard, the addition of Testosterone, Insulin, and low-dose T3 would be something to seriously consider. More on this in our comparative cycle guide of HGH/Insulin/IGF-1.

    Regardless of your goal, as a general rule the best way to begin your HGH program is to start with a low dose and ease your body into the higher doses. This will allow you to avoid or at least minimize many of the more common sides of HGH such as bloating and joint pain & swelling. Most people can tolerate up to approximately 2 IU€™s with few sides, so that would be a good place to start.

    For many using this as a general health supplement, that is as high as you will need to go. For others this will be only the start. Above 2.5 €“ 3 IU€™s, I would definitely suggest that your split your injections into two per day instead of one unless it is just not feasible to do so.

    Here is what a good ramp up program would look like:
    Weeks 1-4 = HGH 2 IU€™s one injection
    Week 5 = HGH 2.5 IU€™s one injection
    Week 6 = HGH 3.0 IU€™s split into two injections of 1.5 IU€™s each
    Week 7 = HGH 3.5 IU€™s split into two injections of 1.75 IU€™s each
    And so forth until you reach your desired dose.

    If at any point in this progression you begin to have unbearable bloating or joint pain, drop the dose by 25% and hold it at this lower dosage for a couple of weeks. If the sides subside, begin your progression back up toward your desired level. If the sides remain, lower your dose again and hold it at the lower level for two weeks before beginning the upward progression. This method will keep your HGH experience a good one and side free for the most part.

    For a normal cycle of 5-8 months in length, injecting once or twice a day, 7 days a week should be fine. While there are studies that suggest that the suppression from exogenous HGH is short lived (about 4 hours from injection), there are no large-scale studies to indicate safety of everyday injections in long-term use. There are studies by anti-aging groups demonstrating that a day or two off per week is adequate to protect the pituitary and its triggers over long cycles. If your use of HGH becomes more a lifestyle than a single cycle, I would consider running it 5 on/2 off, or 6 on/ 1 off until such time as we have reliable data demonstrating long-term safety sans any degradation of your own output or the triggers initiating that output.

    Another option would be to run your HGH cycle everyday for the first two months to get your IGF-1 levels elevated quickly and to a level to assist you in an anabolic way, then drop back to 5 days a week.

    TIMING
    As described above, the body produces HGH is a pulsatile fashion throughout the day with the heaviest pulses occurring approximately 2-3 hours after going to bed as you fall into a deep sleep. Injectible HGH is completely absorbed and put to use within approximately 3 hours. The strategy with respect to timing depends somewhat on our age and the other elements of our cycle. As you will see below, there is no single best strategy €¦ it depends a lot on your individual situation.

    For those that are between their late 20€™s and early 50€™s, there is still a reasonable chance that your own endogenous production of HGH is still at a reasonable level. The best time to take and injection, this being the case, would be early morning €¦. After your body€™s own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning, this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. This will be the least disruptive time to take an injection of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up.

    If you are splitting your doses, two times of the day when your cortisol levels are at peak are when you wake up and in the early afternoon. Another good strategy is to take your HGH injections at these times. Cortisol is very catabolic by nature and a well -timed HGH injection can go a long way toward blunting this effect.

    If you are in your late 50€™s or beyond, or if for some reason you have a condition that has rendered your pituitary incapable of a normal release of HGH, a great time to take HGH is right before bed. This allows you to closely mimic the natural pattern that would occur if your pituitary were functioning properly. For the rest of us, taking your HGH right before bed is going to end up creating a negative feedback loop, robbing you of your body€™s own nightly pulse of HGH.

    Yet another strategy should be considered if you are using insulin with your HGH. Insulin should be used immediately post workout. HGH and insulin do some great things together €“ they shuttle nutrients in a very complimentary way with each other, and the combination of HGH and Insulin create the best environment for IGF-1 production. If you are using insulin immediately post workout, this would be a great time to take a couple of units of HGH.
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    MELANOTAN!! booyah!!



    The Science: Melanocortins include a host of peptide hormones that exert numerous effects on human physiology through melanocortin receptor binding and activation. One of the more noticeable effects of the melanocortins is to induce skin pigmentation in the epidermis of mammals through interactions with the Melanocortin-1 Receptor (MC1R). The various pigments of melanin are responsible for skin coloring and can be found primarily in the skin, but also the hair, eye, inner ear, and even the brain!
    Melanin production occurs during a process known as melanogenesis that occurs within melanin-producing cells called melanocytes found in the epidermis. Most humans have similar concentrations of these malanocyte cells, but the activity of these cells and/or the activity of the MC1R vary dramatically among populations resulting in dramatic differences in melanin production and skin pigmentation. In individuals with albinism, for whatever reason, no melanin is produced from the melanocyte cells. In the basal state, inactivated, or antagonized state, the MC1R causes melanocytes to produce a melanin pigment known as pheomelanin, responsible for the production of yellow and pink to red hues. In response to DNA damage from UVB rays, signals are sent causing a release of melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH), particularly a-MSH, in regards to pigmentation. a-MSH activates MC1Rs which results in an increased production of either black or brown eumelanin from melanocytes, the pigment associated with skin tone and skin color. The increased coloring produced from melanogenesis and UVB rays is a long lasting tan, and occurs after some degree of DNA photodamage.
    A more immediate tanning effect occurs following the production of melanin, or with pre-existing melanin. In response to the less penetrating UVA rays, melanin stored in the keratinocytes combines with oxygen, causing oxidation. The oxidized melanin offers some immediate protection against UV damage, but this tan also quickly fades when the skin is not continually exposed to UV rays, this oxidation creates the golden coloring effect most commonly associated with tanning.

    Melanotan Peptides: Analogs of the a-MSH hormone have been developed primarily for research in different types of skin related diseases and cancer. In its natural state, a-MSH has a short active life of only several minutes, making in therapeutically useless. The melanotan peptides work in a similar manner as a-MSH to increase melanogenesis but with far-greater binding capabilities and longer active lives, presumably one to two hours. The two most commonly used are the Melanotan-1 and Melanotan-2 peptides. Both create similar effects, with MT2 being the consumer preference of the two. This is most likely a result of greater availability, lower costs, and stronger effects. MT2 also agonizes a larger range of various melanocortin receptors, thus hosting a stronger effect on libido, lipolysis, but unfortunately also the potential for side effects. Side effects seem to be slightly greater with MT2 over MT1 administration and include flushing of the face and body, nausea, lethargy, hypersexuality, and darkening of moles and freckles, and hyperpigmentation, with the degree of effect being largely dependant on dose and susceptibility.

    Safety: The melanotan peptides are considered quite safe with no known carcinogenic properties and no long-term or short-term health problems yet associated with its administration, in vivo or in vitro. Many studies have been performed to assess its safety and its benefits in those susceptible to skin cancer and other skin related diseases, with only positive results. The greatest risk comes from the purchase of unlicensed, illegal and potentially counterfeit or fake melanotan products online and overseas.

    Moles and Freckles: Random spots of skin with high melanocyte and or MC1R activity will be seen as freckles. The appearance of freckles is entirely genetic and cannot be created by melanotan administration by any mechanism without somehow altering the genetics. Rather these areas already naturally experience large degrees of melanogensis activity, more so than the rest of the skin. Just like UVB rays, but in a much more potent manner, melanotan triggers an even greater increase in melanogenesis causing the darkening of freckles that may have previously only been barely visible with natural levels of melanogenesis.
    Moles are lesions with a high density of melanocytes. Melanotan has never been demonstrated to cause an increase in melanocytes, but because moles have so many melanocytes they are essentially hyperactive melanin-producing factories. Obviously melanotan administration will cause a great increase in melanin production in these moles, causing an increase in darkness and size even in moless too small to be seen or previously mistaken for freckles. The good news is, is that those individuals with more moles are generally at a greater risk for melanoma and skin damage from UV rays. Melanotan can greatly reduce the possibility of causing or progressing skin cancer.

    The protocol:

    Melanotan 1

    Once or twice weekly
    .5 mgs - 1 mg within ONE hour before tanning for a length of time safe for your skin type.
    *start low, but increase dose if desired.

    Melanotan 2

    Once or twice weekly
    .25 mgs - .5 mgs within ONE hour before tanning for a length of time safe for your skin type.
    *start low, but increase dose if desired.

    * DO NOT DO A LOADING PERIOD FOR MELANOTAN. IT IS UNNECESSARY, ONLY USE ON DAYS OF TANNING.
    * Protocol will vary depending on skin type and response to melanotan. For those susceptible to freckling, moles, or at risk to burning or skin cancer; start with a low dose of melanotan and short tanning sessions (as low as a minute or two if necessary), as melanin density increases, tanning for longer periods will become safer with a lessened risk of freckling or burning.

    Benefits of pre-tan melanotan administration
    - Increased melanin production over tanning or melanotan alone.
    - Immediate oxidation of newly created eumelanin, creating that glowing “suntan”.
    - Minimal tanning.
    - Minimal Melanotan use.
    - Reduced experiences of freckling, discoloring, uneven pigmentation, nausea, etc…
    - More control of “degree” of tan.

    Shelf-life: After reconstitution, refrigerated melanotan is said to remain potent for only 3-4 weeks. While I believe some (possibly significant) degradation has likely occurred after 1 month, I have successfully used melanotan for much longer (over two months!), while still seemingly experiencing strong effects. If potency becomes problematic, attempt to increase the dosage. Nevertheless, because of the instability of melanotan, I again suggest the use of melanotan 1, as the larger doses will allow the user to use more of the product over a shorter period of time.


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    insa q&a

    This is just a copy and paste, I figure it is from Acneman from fitnessboard

    Acnemans Insulin FAQ

    what is insulin?

    Insulin is a hormone secreted by the beta cells of the
    pancreas that controls the metabolism and cellular uptake of
    sugars, proteins, and fats. As a drug, it is used principally
    to control diabetes. Insulin is not a steroid.

    What type of insulin should I use for bodybuilding?

    Humulin R and Humulog are the only insulins I recommend
    because they act fast and are out of the body fastest(this
    makes them the safest). I have never used Humalog but
    understand that aside from quicker onset and half-life it is
    essentially the same.

    Why do I want to use insulin?

    Insulin has been called "Anabolicus Maximus" by some gurus of
    the bodybuilding world. Insulin can give you greater gains
    than you have ever had using anabolics alone. Insulin, in
    combination with androgens and resistance exercise, may
    trigger maturation of satellite muscle cells (small, more or
    less useless cells that are held in reserve, which do not
    contribute to muscular strength) into mature muscle cells that
    do contribute to muscular size and strength. How freakin cool
    is that. Hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein
    synthesis in isolated limb infusion experiments , these
    anabolic properties seem to be the result of insulin binding
    to IGF-1 receptors.

    If insulin is so great why aren't all diabetics huge?

    Diabetics have a disease and use insulin to replace endogenous
    insulin that they cannot produce. Bodybuilders use insulin in
    a totally different way. Some diabetic bodybuilders manipulate
    their insulin use to use insulin for muscle growth and get
    good results but changing dosages and times of injection of
    insulin for diabetics can be dangerous.

    Isn't taking insulin dangerous?

    ummm YES! Before deciding to take insulin here is what you
    have to do to be safe.

    Insulin safety

    1. Do not use slin alone have a training partner or girlfriend
    who's not using slin hang around with you from the time you
    take the slin to about 2.5/4 hrs after.

    2. Tell you're partner to look for anything out of the norm
    for your personality and have a list of questions like your
    ssn or address etc that they can ask you. Don't joke around,
    and answer them without shit, because if you cant answer or
    refuse to answer it could be a sign of hypoglycemia(low blood
    sugar). Symptoms of hypoglycemia include disorientation,
    headache, drowsiness, weakness, dizziness, fast heartbeat,
    sweating, tremor, and nausea.

    3. If you cant/wont answer or are feeling the symptoms of
    hypoglycemia they should be prepared to feed you carbs like
    pancake syrup, coke, sugary stuff. I bought glucose tablets at
    walmart. kinda like candy but gets in the blood faster and
    dissolve quickly. these are for diabetics ask at the pharmacy.

    4. Have your partner know that if they suspect low blood sugar
    and cant convince or force you to consume carbs until your
    better. CALL 911 and ask for an ambulance and tell the truth
    to the operator... that they suspect you are in insulin shock
    and explain when they get there(the ambulance guys not the
    cops) that you are not diabetic but using insulin for anabolic
    purposes. Have the type of slin, the dosage and carbs consumed
    recorded to give the paramedic. They will save your life. Then
    you refuse transport to the hospital and eat. It might be a
    good idea to make sure your house is "clean" before every
    workout just in case the bad thing happens and the cops ask a
    lot of questions.

    5. Why so much preparation for the possible problem?? insulin
    can kill you in minutes if you go down!!

    6. Take the carbs and protein together immediately after
    injecting the slin(dont take chances trying to time out 15 min
    after injection). Take the protein with the carbs because the
    protein is pushed into the muscles with the slin also(creatine
    too).

    7. Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced
    meal(high protein low fat with carbs).

    8. Consume another small high protein medium carb low fat meal
    at 2.5 hours after the injection. Congrats you lived.(keep
    some gatoraid on hand just to make sure because your not gonna
    have a lifeline)

    9. YAWN... Don't go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin
    since you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have
    warning signs.

    Ok I'm not scared I still want to use insulin...

    Where do i get it?

    Humulin R is over the counter (OTC) just about everywhere.
    Humulog is new and is still a prescription drug is some
    places. BUT... Insulin is NOT a controlled substance and will
    not be confiscated by customs or postal inspectors so order it
    online if you cant get it locally. Its legal.

    Where do I keep it? (STORAGE)

    The FDA requires that all preparations of insulin contain
    instructions to keep in a cold place and to avoid freezing.
    The refrigerator is a good spot. Unrefrigerated insulin can be
    kept of 28 days as long as it stays in a cool and dark place.

    Where/how do I inject insulin?

    The best sites for insulin injection are in the subcutaneous
    tissue of the abdomen(avoid the area close to bellybutton)
    .Usually, you should not inject within 1 inch of the same site
    within 1 month. The arms and legs can also be used, but
    insulin uptake from these sites is less uniform. Insulin
    should be injected subcutaneously only with a U-100 insulin
    syringe. "B-D ultra-fine" insulin syringes are good. Insulin
    syringes are available without a prescription in many states.
    If you cant purchase the syringes at a pharmacy, you can mail
    order them. Using a syringe other than a specific insulin
    syringe is dangerous since it will be difficult to measure out
    the correct dosage.

    How much insulin should I take?

    I recommend never using over 10IU. 10IU is enough to make you
    grow.
    In general Dosages used are usually 1 IU per 20 pounds of lean
    bodyweight. So a 220lb bodybuilder with 9% body-fat would use
    10iu of insulin(aprox200lb lean mass/20 = 10iu). But even
    experienced insulin users shouldn't use max dosage at the
    beginning of an insulin cycle. First-time users should start
    at a low dosage and gradually work up. For example, first
    begin with 2 IU and then increase the dosage by 1 IU every
    consecutive workout until you reach your calculated dose or
    determine a maximum personal dose(some people are more
    sensitive to insulin sides like hypoglycemia). This will allow
    the athlete to determine a dosage he can safely use. Insulin
    dosages can vary significantly among athletes and are
    dependent upon insulin sensitivity and the use of other drugs.
    Athletes using growth hormone and thyroid might have higher
    insulin requirements.

    When do I take insulin?

    It is my opinion that you should only take insulin after a
    work out, never before or when not working out, because before
    a work out you could crash and die during the workout and when
    your not working out it makes you fat. Some people disagree
    with this. IF you want, get some info from them and try it.
    But remember I told ya so.

    When do i eat after using insulin?

    Immediately!!! DO NOT TRY TO TIME YOUR CONSUMPTION OF CARBS!!
    You should immediately take a carbohydrate AND protein drink
    after taking you're insulin. I've stated this twice because it
    is very important. Even experienced insulin users can get a
    surprise now and then.
    Eat a meal at about an hour after using insulin. Consume
    another small high protein medium carb low fat meal at 2.5
    hours after the injection. keep some gatoraid on hand just to
    make sure. Remember that insulin can still work much later so
    be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia symptoms.

    What do I eat after using insulin?

    Some people recommend a zero fat intake for 4 hours after
    taking insulin. I do not disagree with this. But if your
    bulking you can be a little relaxed on this. But high fat
    intake after taking insulin can lead to high body fat.
    The carb/protein drink taken after the insulin shot should
    contain AT LEAST 10 grams of carbs and 5 grams of quality
    protein per IU of insulin injected with little or no
    fat(creatine taken in this drink is optional but works great).
    Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced
    meal(high protein low fat with carbs). At 2.5 hours after the
    injection you should Consume a small meal. keep some gatoraid
    on hand just to make sure. Remember that insulin can still
    work much later so be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia
    symptoms. Once again i've stated this twice because it is
    important.

    ***Some insulin users recommend far less carbs than I have
    stated above. This is a personal decision you will have to
    make since it could be very dangerous...Even deadly! My
    opinion is to take the carbs and learn to diet after bulking
    if you gain too much fat.***

    How long should/can I take insulin?

    Short cycles please because you could have side effects. It is
    suspected that you could become an insulin dependant diabetic
    but I have never seen proof, but is it worth the risk? I would
    only use it a few times a week(maximum 4 on 3 off) for no more
    than 3/4 weeks.

    What should I avoid while using insulin?

    Do not use alcohol. It lowers blood sugar, and you may
    experience dangerously low blood sugar levels.

    Do not change your workout in the middle of a cycle of
    insulin. Changes in how much you exercise can change the
    amount of insulin you can tolerate and maintain blood sugar
    levels.

    Do not take any recreational drugs at the same time as insulin
    since they could mask symptoms of hypoglycemia.

    Do not change the brand of insulin or syringe that you are
    using without first talking to a doctor or pharmacist. Some
    brands of insulin and syringes are interchangeable, while
    others are not.

    Do not use insulin if you are sick with a cold, flu, or fever.
    These illnesses may change your insulin requirements..

    Do not use any insulin that is discolored, looks thick, has
    particles in it, or looks different from the way it looked
    when you bought it.

    Do not use OTC drugs that will cause drowsiness within 6 hours
    of using insulin.

    Do not go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin since you
    can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have warning
    signs.

    What are the possible side effects of insulin besides
    hypoglycemia?

    Rarely, people have allergic reactions to insulin. Seek
    emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic
    reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat;
    swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).

    Hypothetically, one could become an insulin dependent diabetic
    if insulin is used too long.

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    Elisabeth R. Barton-Davis, Daria I. Shoturma, Antonio Musaro,
    Nadia Rosenthal, and H. Lee Sweeney. Viral mediated expression
    of insulin-like growth factor I blocks the aging-related loss
    of skeletal muscle function. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A
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